But you can't have that in a nontheistic worldview. Satan can't do anything except by the will of God. As various authors copied copies of the Hebrew Scriptures, changes accumulated in the stories. Violence and Murder Endorsed in the Old Testament, The endorsements of violence, mass murder and rape & pillage are dramatic, and are conducted under the direct commands of God for the betterment of the believer's religion, many times where God leads by murderous example, ancient form of Christianity was preached by Marcion, who realized that the God of the Old Testament must be Evil, Some think that the New Testament is nicer than the OT, the NT still endorses violence and murder. ", 5But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. What better way to channel more souls away from God and straight into Hell?”. Very few would read such a sentence and decide to completely abandon childhood in favour of becoming an automaton. You write that God is not a particularly likable character. I was at my cousin’s incredibly boring bat mitzvah, and I opened [the Bible] at random to the story of Dinah and read the story about how she’s raped and the rapist wants to marry her. The Book of Numbers in the Hebrew Scriptures / Old Testament contains two examples of some very limited communication methods used by God. “Here you have tricking people into circumcision; you have the slaughtering of animals. God’s kindness to Saul was designed to lead him to repentance (Rom. But I always thought, Here’s Jacob, he’s the great patriarch, he’s the great father of Israel, beloved of God. Surely [an unfeared God] is neither your Father, towards whom your love for duty's sake should be consistent with fear because of His power; nor your proper Lord, whom you should love for His humanity and fear as your teacher.”, The Adam and Eve story shows god as an immoral bad parent, not as a loving God (2006). Basic fundamental moral questions about what God should do and what's just, our moral responsibility. Colossians 3:20 says "children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord" and this is backed up by Deuteronomy 21:18-21 which says that stubborn and rebellious sons are to be stoned by the community (and you might as well accuse them of being drunkards too, because that'll make the elders more likely to comply with the stoning). The most evil of them has to be Hera, the queen of gods. My view is that I was an average Job. You had to follow Jesus now or never. Its influence on direct political action at the moment, in the sense that there are so many people who are guided by this book that if you don't understand what's motivating them then you can't possibly engage with them as fellow citizens. 15:32). Stephen Fry has denounced God as “utterly evil, capricious and monstrous”, if he were to exist.. Exodus 32:27-29 has the God of Israel command the army to murder sons, brothers, friends and neighbours and they are then blessed for doing so. 10:34-37, Luke 12:51-53, 14:25 and 18:29). A hardback book. Epicurus — ‘Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? The crucifixion did not empower God as God is omnipotent. The Monstrous Actions of an Immoral God, : 2.2. See Also: God and Satan Are Both Jerks , Devil, but No God , Neglectful Precursors , Jerkass Gods for when the deities are not really evil but just neglectful, Abusive Precursors for when this so called creator is beyond just guilty. “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 2000 edition. Published by W.W. Norton & Company, New York, USA. Genesis, Chapter 1 has this famous beginning: God created the earth. 8So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. Multiple authors, a compendium of multiple previously published books, Bad Faith: The Danger of Religious Extremism, The Phenomenon Of Religion: A Thematic Approach. God cannot be benevolent. Instead, it must be the case that most visions are actually wrong - they are delusions and illusions. That’s very weird. On top of that are the mistranslations, cultural misunderstandings and outright subjectivist attempts at exegesis by those who are genuinely and passionately trying to understand the core text of their religion. Amazon Kindle digital edition produced by Carrie Lorenz and John B. Hare. Original question: If there is no God, what defines good and evil? Did God create evil, or is God Himself evil? Evil came as a result of the selfishness of man.The Bible says that God is a God of love and He desired to create a person and eventually a race that would love Him. This is the fourth woe. This is an encounter between a man and his book, and that I was just gonna read it, like I read anything else. Jesus himself declared "think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword", Book of Revelation is the climax of the New Testament, The suffering and pain described in the apocalypse is something that a good god could never let happen, Contradictions: The Bible also contains many verses that, Genesis chapters 18 and 19, Lot is rescued from destruction by God's actions for his noble and commendable actions. If I were a biblical literalist—and thank God I’m not—I would have no idea how I would make sense of this because there are two creations. These examples are where it is Humans carrying out God's will and don't include the many times where God leads by murderous example.”, "Endorsement of Violence and Murder in the Old Testament" by Vexen Crabtree (2016), 2nd Century Marcionite Christians believed that the Old Testament God was Evil (2006). It is so daft that the Qur'an makes fun of it in Sura 31:19 - "indeed, the most disagreeable of sounds is the voice of donkeys". Lucifer corrupted himself and became Satan. "”, “So the king said to Joab and the army commanders with him, "Go throughout the tribes of Israel from Dan to Beersheba and enroll the fighting men, so that I may know how many there are."”. To allow evil and wrongdoing to go unpunished would indeed be cruel and would indicate a callousness toward the innocent. By “evil,” we mean the antithesis of good; an exact opposite. Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? In case we doubt God's judgement of Lot, Lot then goes and has children by both of his daughters. the wrong religion, then I am sure that this particular verse would be the first to be overlooked. Likewise, the person who defines evil according to the Bible's view of morality will find that God opposes evil and supports justice and holy living. These messages are of course not actually aimed at children. - Woe unto them that call evil good. They base them on a sense of morality that God … God did not have to create evil, but rather only allow for the absence of good. Qualities like compassion, empathy, kindness, selflessness, gentleness, benevolence, etc. “Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.”, “The anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go and take a census of Israel and Judah."”. A theodicy is an attempt to explain why a good god would have created evil and suffering. It’s the joy of reading something for yourself without it being mediated through somebody else. #christianity #determinism #free_will #free_will_and_god #philosophy #religion, “The Bible teaches that there is no free will. Verse 20. There seems to be some contradiction between these three propositions, so that if any two of them were true, the third would be false. It is only with the Christian God who is the universal standard of moral truth, can we then judge what is good and bad. Victims have been anyone who disagreed even on confusing technical points of Christian doctrine, members of other religions such as Muslims and Jews, "witches", homosexuals, and finally, a small number who have genuinely plotted against the Church. It would create maximum confusion by preaching multiple conflicting religions. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth. In religion, ethics, philosophy, and psychology "good and evil" is a very common dichotomy.In cultures with Manichaean and Abrahamic religious influence, evil is usually perceived as the dualistic antagonistic opposite of good, in which good should prevail and evil should be defeated. A paperback book. It constantly denies that we have free will. God's method of communication here - out of all the means available to the miracle-worker Creator of the Universe, is to have the donkey do things. This is the second video of a playlist of videos responding to 20 short arguments against God’s existence. Momen, Moojan(1999) The Phenomenon Of Religion: A Thematic Approach. Sometimes we … In case we doubt God's judgement of Lot, Lot then goes and has children by both of his daughters, The story of Abraham and Isaac in Genesis chapter 22 has Abraham obey the voices in his head which tell him to murder his only son Isaac on an altar as a sacrifice to God. But this is simply not so. The whole scheme of the life of Jesus does not add up, and it is very hard to reconcile it with the plans of an all-knowing, good God. Arguments that God Must be Evil, by Vexen Crabtree (2003). At first the donkey merely resists because God sends an invisible angel to stand in their way, that only the donkey can see. Ellerbe, Helen(1995) The Dark Side of Christian History. It doesn’t. 'reaching the heavens') don't make sense, as God is all-knowing and would have known that this was impossible to do by building a tower, no matter how high. The crucifixion makes no sense. God is the author of good, but we make moral choices that result in evil. On this view, the conceptof evil should be revived, not abandoned (see Russell 2006 and2007). New edition now published as part of the “Very Short Introduction” series. Luke 2:41-49 tells a story of a 12-year-old Jesus; he wonders off for three days and his parents search for him, before finding him in a temple. The Hebrew word here that is translated as "disaster" could also mean "wickedness", "hurt", "affliction" or "adversity". As a huge mythology fan, I have been constantly angry at the way medea treat Hades. An e-book. Then the magic tricks make sense, as Lance Sievert has said, as the successful attempts of an evil god to impress us simple mortals. God is not evil..God is full of love and joy..if He was in your heart you would know the feeling that He gives. By “evil,” we mean the antithesis of good; an exact opposite. They are correct; it was written in much more enlightened times. Sometimes (such as with Balaam) God seems to be an incompetent communicator. What did he do? If you accept this story as fable and myth, then, it is clear to see that it is the attempt of a primitive people to explain why Humans have different languages. No, these messages are not really aimed at children but at adults, telling us to obey God, the ultimate father-figure, else we suffer the consequences. Evil is an imperfection, lack or void in God's creation. We also have to remember that while our Earth was initially created good, it was later corrupted by evil. ... And they burnt the city with fire" and looted all they could. It did not aid its understanding of Humanity, as God is omniscient. Some are evil gods of the underworld, and some exist to torment humanity. He wanted to take care of his father until he died, and then follow Jesus. Unfortunately, the evil trumps the good in the worship of every god, and so are all gods’ acolytes the worst on earth. Real-estate negotiation, in Genesis in particular, takes up a third of the book: Who owns it, who should have it, where is it? Not a single positive comment from Jesus to his mum10! 9That is why it was called Babel - because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. The existence of hell (a place of endless torment & suffering) is proof of God's cruelty. It would therefore create maximum confusion, and maximum suffering, through war and intolerance. We are inspired by everything we perceive as good all the time. Does Evil Argue Against God? He tried to protect 3 male guests who had arrived at his house, from a mob outside who wanted to rape them. Any moral person would have sternly told Abraham that he failed God's test. “See,” they say, “since evil and suffering exist, God must not exist.” Isaac is the “Harpo Marx of Genesis”; Joseph, son of Jacob, is a “nasty little tattletale”; and “Onan’s sin, ‘onanism,’ is not masturbation, it’s birth control.” But Plotz is out for more than wisecracks. #christianity #genocide #murder #religion #religious_violence #the_bible #violence. Its influence on our language, on our ideas of what stories are. None of this is good, yet we have 81 percent of white evangelicals who have supported and called out what is evil as being good. Jesus and Mary, His Mother: Not a Single Positive Comment in the Bible" by Vexen Crabtree (2019). But we can stick to wisdom and do good all by ourselves. Published in the Evangelical Review of Theology (2016) 40:3, 247-263. However the entire universe and the natural world is filled with suffering, violence and destruction so any Humanity-centric explanation does not seem to work. As Marcion believed that the Good News of the New Testament was the plan of salvation from a good God, he believed that through Jesus the evil god the Old Testament had been defeated. We know that God uses evil to discipline people (Prov. Even in the twentieth century, Pope Leo XII argued for violence and murder, based on religion: “The death sentence is a necessary and efficacious means for the Church to attain its end when rebels act against it and disturbers of the ecclesiastical unity, especially obstinate heretics and heresiarchs, cannot be restrained by any other penalty. For thousands of years, mistranslations of important Biblical verses have misinformed the masses on even important points, such as whether Jesus' mother was a virgin or not. 5:7, Jer. Christian USA bullying countries that are not christian, and Muslim countries attacking back. This concept of "darkness" or "evil" was not yet personified as "the devil". What did he do? The existence of such large quantities of suffering, despair, pain, of natural disasters such as earthquakes, of the death of the unborn and the immense suffering of lovers & kind-hearted people means that god is evil and intentionally creates life in order to create suffering. Other translations such as Young's Literal Translation phrase it in the same way. Davies, Paul(1984) God And The New Physics. … That's why Jews predominate in the argumentative professions. Firstly, because they are often catchy and often repeated by many in the influential Christian world. But evil and suffering exist. The greater the power and wisdom of a teacher or parent, the more possible the moral route. Originally published 2005. The Book of Lamentations confirms that free will cannot stop evil, when evil comes from God, nor can man stop goodness, when goodness comes from God: “Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.”, “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”. I'm definitely not a better person by the standards of any rabbi. Evil God Challenge. In this article, the author has taken the former stance! It cannot be the case, therefore, that people need the Bible nor that people have to know the right things, or have the right beliefs, in order to fulfil God's plan. 6:2, 31:12-13, Joshua 4:24, Psalms 96:4, Proverbs 24:21, Ecc. Then he is not omnipotent. This is the fourth woe. You encountered all these mistakes in the Bible, like the fact that God creates insects twice. If god revealed itself to everyone, in no unclear terms, there could be no disagreement. It is God itself: “[Job's friends and family] comforted him over all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him.”. What does this teach us? God did not need to become Human to experience Human suffering: God already knew. Subtitled: "Christianity's Creation of the Sex War in the West". He has this wonderful brother Esau, who goes down in history as a villain. I would impress them with some magic tricks, teach them to pretend to eat my flesh, drink my blood and always, ALWAYS, use MY name when speaking to God. He’s a con artist; he’s a total trickster. Support us for unlimited access. God creates these things directly. The lack of respect continues in another story in Luke: “When one of his women listeners was so entranced by his teaching that she cried out 'Happy the womb that bore you and the breasts that you sucked!' For this reason, the "fear God" parts of the Bible are probably best considered to be a human construct, rather than the demands of a good god. 12:13, Ecclesiasticus 1:8,11, 7:29,31. But god does not do this. It would create heaven and make it hard to get to in order to tease and torture people into making their own lives hell. - Woe unto them that call evil good. Good Book is a mercilessly funny one; imagine Sunday school taught by Jackie Mason. The Bible (NIV). But once you get in the mind-set, it becomes quite easy and delightful to read. They take the women and children as slaves and sack the town. It seems that not only does the Bible describe a God who is a very poor communicator, but that the Bible itself is communicated very poorly. wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? Throughout the Old and New, the unequal and barbaric position of women in the family compared to men is infamously misogynistic - there are too many related verses to repeat here. [...], Religions that fight each other tend to make their adherents believe in them even more strongly. Jesus himself declared "think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword" (Matthew 10:34). The Evil God Challenge thought experiment explores whether the hypothesis that God might be evil has symmetrical consequences to a good God, and whether it is more likely that God is good, evil, or non-existent. Evil-skeptics believe we should abandon the concept of evil. Atheists, skeptics and other critics of Christianity often argue against God on the basis of the reality of evil and suffering. First Corinthians 10:13 promises us that God will not permit a greater trial than we can bear. That way, most of the weak, inferior, pathetic people that the evil god creates would fall foul of one religion or another, and be duped! What if God wants us to have different beliefs and religions at different times and in different places? In continual deviance from what a good god would do, and feel, the God of the Old Testament sometimes repents of its own actions and thoughts. How can a god that knows everything, and is never wrong, repent? Once again, we see that God and Satan are merely two facets of the same being. Well there's a question! At the time I started the book, I had one son, Jacob. The Monstrous Actions of an Immoral God" by Vexen Crabtree (2013). Those who advance this challenge assert that, unless there is a satisfactory answer to the challenge, there is no reason to accept God is good or … Karen Armstrong says that in today's terms, Jesus' answer could be understood as "put him in a geriatric home and come and follow me"13. We can deliver group punishments in accordance with the worst offenders amongst them, and, the less bad amongst them are simply unlucky to have been around at the wrong time. You see, its poor communication is only a problem if you happen to think that God wants us to know the truth and to believe the right things. We often use the adjective good to describe people. We know that God uses evil to discipline people (Prov. An evil God, indeed, would do this, and this is exactly the state the world is in. He's erratic, he's vindictive, he's not merciful…. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.”, “If any man comes to me without hating his father, mother, wife, children, brothers and sisters, yes and his own life too, he cannot be my disciple.”. An e-book. But I think I'm a better Jew in one sense. 2. But for what ends is this violence to be executed? If God is both able and willing to stop evil, but chooses not to stop all evil, that means God has allowed evil to exist. One final verse seals this idea. Aside from the New Testament's endorsement of killing in the name of religion, God itself leads by example. Exodus 22:18 has been used as the basis for murdering women accused of all manner of daft superstitious things ("thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"). God must be immoral, if it punishes innocent people for sins they do not understand and could not resist. 6The Lord said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Does Evil Argue Against God? Rather, evil is the absence of goodness; it is whatever God is not. Satan's idea is that if God demolishes Job's good life, then Job will no longer be faithful to God. Adam and Eve were punished with death, pain, suffering and caused the evil of all mankind... yet they themselves 'sinned' before they knew the difference between Good and Evil. On thisview we can more accurately, and less perniciously, understand anddescribe morally despicable actions, characters, and events using morepedestrian moral concepts such as badness and wrongdoing. As such, the story isn't really a religious one and ought to be ignored. Davies is a Professor in theoretical physics who has published ground-breaking research. There are even two accounts of the Creation that contradict each other in the details. Then report back to me so that I may know how many there are. First of all, He was the oldest male child born of Kronos. The Evil God Challenge is a thought experiment.The challenge is to explain why an all-good god should be more likely than an all-evil god. Is God Evil? God is able to bring judgment on an evil group of people in order to spare those who are devoted to Him. A force working in opposition to an equal and contradictory force of good. The Old Testament describes God as angry, fearsome, destructive and vengeful. Psalms 139:12, 1 Chronicles 21:1-2 and 2 Samuel 24:1-2, and Job 1:8-12, 42:11 all confuse good and evil, God and Satan into one single creative force, with God being described as not only the source of evil, but as its actual instigator. There’s a revelatory moment when you realize exactly who it is you’ve named your son after. Both of these ac God allows evil to occur partly for reasons we do know and partly for those we do not. An ancient form of Christianity was preached by Marcion, who realized that the God of the Old Testament must be Evil. It is an incredibly difficult task to explain to Christians who decide to kill in god's name that they are in fact going against the Bible, because this is simply not the case. ", : 7.2. And your interest in the Hebrew Bible was piqued when you read about Dinah being raped? When Jacob complains about this, they say, “What, you want our sister to be treated like a whore?”. And at first glance this would… Bible verses about God Is Not Evil. The entire escapade seems to be an irrational story copied from pre-Christian myths. If God is good, then all He created was good. The women are very manipulative and vicious and the treatment of them is incredibly derogatory. Also, his children and animals are all slaughtered too, as collateral damage1. If our children do not turn out how we wished, then, we can follow the example of the perfectly just Christian God, and destroy them. Therefore God does not exist, is not all-powerful or is not benevolent (good)17. All that divine immorality is all Old Testament stuff, isn't it? In one copy of the story, we are told Satan told David to do so. The New Testament makes more sense if its schemes are the plan of an evil god, rather than a good one. But Satan can't do this itself as it is God that has the power to do evil. God is able to bring judgment on an evil group of people in order to spare those who are devoted to Him. Revelation 21:1-27 ESV / 3 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful. God does not create evil since it is not a thing to be created. God and Satan are intertwined. But this is simply not so. His method of protection was to send out his two virgin daughters and tell the crowd they could do as they pleased with them. "The anger of the Lord" is Satan. The second time, at the feast in Cana, Jesus says to his mum, "Woman, what have I to do with thee?". When David Plotz, the editor of Slate, opened to Page 1 of the Old Testament, he had no idea what he was getting himself into. Some excerpts: Revelation 6:8 (the 4th seal) "I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Published by Prometheus Books, New York, USA. 2014 Jan 25: Added comments on the story of Job. But I also believe that GOD disapproves of evil. An evil God would likely have created us as intelligent microbes living on the surface of Jupiter torturing us forever. But if you don't have time to read the Bible, then you can just read Good Book because it will give you all the good stuff of the Bible but it's much shorter. When he wrote a worrying article entitled. Such arguments have been used by many philosophers as evidence against belief in god18,19. None of this is good, yet we have 81 percent of white evangelicals who have supported and called out what is evil as being good. Jacob is a family name in [my wife] Hanna’s family. Plotz was, by his own estimation, an inattentive Jew, a biblical ignoramus. We have seen that God's communication methods in the Bible are portrayed in a highly unclear, indirect and obscure way (at best). And also you can keep my book in the bathroom, which you can't with the Bible. And henceforth, Christian history contains many unfortunate chapters where Christian groups anathematized one another as heretics, and proceeded to burn, torture and murder those who disagreed. God is certainly sovereign over evil. Jesus cared so little for his family that he never sent them messages informing what he was up to even when he was in their immediate locality. Conclusion" by Vexen Crabtree (2005), Current edition: 2016 Dec 2220Last Modified: 2019 Aug 03Originally published 2006 Jul 11, Web URL: http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_evilgod.html. If you think it is far-fetched to say that the Christian god intentionally causes confusion and division, and is therefore evil, then perhaps one more story of the Bible will help, from Genesis chapter 11: 1Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. Good exists, but evil does not. We have a situation where a large population of our nation’s churches have declared that what Jesus said was evil in his sight, is now good. The first time is the story above, where he reprimands her for not guessing where he was (when he was 12). Fortunately for us, we have learnt much about human neurology and we know many of the physiological and neurological causes of visions (see: Experiences of God are Illusions, Derived from Malfunctioning Psychological Processes). Whiro: Evil God of Māori Mythology Rangi and Papa, 2017, via Arts Elemental Any rules that we make are also limited, which means that they will be subject to the conditions and situations present at a given time and place. For example, Emperor Theodosius tricked, trapped and murdered several thousand civilians from Thessalonia, and when his Bishop complained, he argued that he was acting as did David from the Old Testament5,6. Coincidence? Our topics include Conspiracy Theory, Secret Societies, UFOs and more! Plus: Check out Book Beast, for more news on hot titles and authors and excerpts from the latest books. Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the … Likewise, Hinduism cannot be true because too many people have had visions of a monotheistic God. Those who advance this challenge assert that, unless there is a satisfactory answer to the challenge, there is no reason to accept God is good or … The author of the Gospel of Luke wrote that Jesus said that 'a tree is known by its fruit' (Luke 6:43-44): "Good trees do not produce rotten fruit, and rotten trees do not produce good fruit". In the Christian Bible, Satan is God. But Eden can be bliss, and Plotz’s determined innocence informs Good Book: The Bizarre, Hilarious, Disturbing, Marvelous, and Inspiring Things I Learned When I Read Every Single Word of the Bible.